Cave Doodles And Spanish Spas ~ In The Footsteps Of Our Ice-Age Ancestors

Coming Soon!

The itinerary is being planned – and I am carrying DNA kits with me.

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What do Genevieve von Petzinger, Jean Manco and Alex Shoumatoff all have in common? Their stories about art, humanity and life all contributed to the itinerary of the trip. Along with these decades of the travels and research of Dai and me we take our hopefully Ancient DNA tour – with or without DNA. All the DNA here belogs to all of us who have any European ancestry – it is just how much – and when, and how, can you prove it.

We have all been here before – just visiting home – one way or another from one time or another – visit with pedigree collapse in mind. From Alex Shoumatoff’s, The Mountain Of Names:

“…The mathematics of descent has fascinated many people. “If we could go back and live again in all of our two hundred and fifty million arithmetical ancestors of the eleventh century,” Henry Adams wrote in 1904 of those with Norman-English blood, “we should find ourselves doing many surprising things, but among the rest we should certainly be ploughing most of the fields of the Contentin and Calvados; going to mass in every parish church in Normand y; rendering military service to every lord, spiritual or temporal, in all this region; and helping to build the Abbey Church at MontSaint- Michel.” And, more recently, the sociobiologist Edward O. Wilson has written, “The gene pool from which one modern Briton has emerged spreads over Europe, to North Africa, the Middle East, and beyond. The individual is an evanescent combination of genes drawn from this pool, one whose hereditary material will soon be dissolved back into it.”
The genetic consequences of distant-cousin marriage are negligible. Only “relatively recent consanguinity . . . is pertinent,” Cavalli-Sforza and Bodmer explain in “The Genetics of Human Populations.”…”

We hope one day SNPs will link the past to the future.

We are taking Jean Manco’s work with us and I hope – hope – hope I will be able to locate some sequenced y-DNA and or mt-DNA for our families to visit a place or two. Of, course, over time, every haplogroup and so someone of the family of every ancestor would have lived everywhere.

And the work of Razib Khan and Insitome

For the plan of which cave to see and why – we are also following the work of the one and only Ice-Age Art expert Genevieve von Petzinger.

The First Signs: Unlocking the Mysteries of the World’s Oldest Symbols

We have her book in hand and are ready for our senior-age tour


Preparing for this journey is far different from both our past decades of being posted as journalists overseas. But then we both were younger, and today we are going to, at least try to, make the trip prepared for the expected and unexpected.

Years gone by the transformer/converters were enormous and I certainly carried my own with not just two different currents but some trip with multiple different sockets and currents and cycles.

From eras gone past in our own lives to the multiple eras of our ancestors.





ThruLines ~ Ancestry(.com)’s latest super fun tool – about as real as it can get!

Look at this chart! Just look at THIS chart! Isn’t this fun? And day one of my having the time to look and play with the newest feature of and their ThruLines – I see one of the most wonderful matches in all of genealogy research. We searched for my great grandfather’s little sister who married the son of Colonel West and moved out west. And not only does a record turn up but the DNA match to go with it!

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Just look at the wonderful new chart we get with’s new feature ThruLines! From the stories told my my grandmother Emma Pearl Stripling Knight and her sister Mary Ethel Stripling Flowers I knew about their paternal aunt Mary Emma Stripling West. My grandmother, Mamma to me, was named for gg Aunt Emma Stripling West. We knew Emma had gone out west and here in this new feature we not only see there is genealogical documentation for her; there is also a descendant who matches me in autosomal DNA. Whoo hoo! And more is how I remember Uncle Oscar and heard about Uncle Bill. And now, although we are all a country apart, our Stripling cousins are in touch and connected using DNA and social media!


Another  bonus for me in this new feature is the easy-to-find number of centiMorgans for the matches. We can make a judgement about the match based not only on the match in our trees for ancestors but also know how many centiMorgans should or could be shared between two people at this relationship.

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This is an important feature to help us judge whether a DNA match is actually related to us in the way we have it on our family tree.

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These two potential ancestors are incorrect but it shows easily where there is a glitch in another’s tree where my mother was attached to some of their people. There are no shared centiMorgans (genes) and my mother is tested and I have relatives of hers tested on both her maternal and paternal sides.

Oh but they almost make this one too easy, and I will say I am glad we cannot yet add the potential folks to our trees because this feature is also a perfect notification when something is wrong. One of the new potential ancestors offers me a new set of grandparents, great grands and great great grands – Some one has a wee boo boo and attached my mother to their tree and the wrong ancestors. The tree person is not related, there are no shared centiMorgans and so in the great feedback link provided, Ancestry has allowed me to tell them there is a wee glitch. (I also wrote a quick note to the tree owner that mother should be deleted from their tree.)

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So many of the small number of shared cMs matches are thrown to the side – there are too many to flip through. But this new feature takes me right to a match I had not noticed – the second from the left, beside me. This is my paternal grandmother’s maternal side and like her dad’s side I also knew her Mom’s.  Emma Pearl reared me (all the people here were born more than 100 years ago).  I remember Lillie and her daughter who is blocked out for privacy. I remember Lillie’s brother, and we would sit with him for visits as he lay dying. I remember the house and all the visits wound up in the kitchen and cake and tea (although I liked black coffee from a very young age.) But this business of adding a father for Henry Alexander Sr – ???? John Alexander seen in the chart above, Well …  I will have to pass this by the family and see if anyone knows this or not. (I can also tell you the Alexander y-DNA haplogroup is an R1b family and is R-DF85)

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This is an amazing and so gratifying way to see the matches and the research come to life. Will there be glitches and website crashes – I expect so, but one try after another and Ancestry is working always to make the experience special and real – and this is about as real as it gets!

Added Testing y-DNA and mt-DNA

In all this excitement we cannot forget – a major goal for me in DNA for genealogy is learning all ancestral lines’ haplogroups and having those relatives all match in autosomal DNA with the appropriate amounts. Reading and learning your amounts of shared centiMorgans is as important of knowing the rules of the road for driving a car – what side of the road – maternal or paternal? how fast 1st cousin 2x or great aunt? how much gas is needed to drive to 2nd cousin? how many RPMs OOPs cMs to rev ThruLines to 4th great grandfather – And REMEMBER – autosomal DNA has limitations.

But with your newfound, certain ancestors you can consider adding the old-fashioned testing for mt-DNA and y-DNA. In choosing a candidate to prove your ancestral lines in their y-DNA and mt-DNA you need to make sure you are related and this ThruLines tool shows you for certain the men and women among your cousins who could be the family representative for a paternal line or a maternal line.

The best company still for this testing in my book is Family Tree DNA and they also take uploads of the autosomal DNA from your AncestryDNA test so you can add another dimension to DNA for genealogy with all that the great great great grandfather of DNA testing offers.

We are close to 100 people in our project now – and once you test the y and mt you can join projects for your surnames and for your haplogroups – yet another dimension to using DNA evidence to establish proven tree.

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I know that our great teacher Blaine will have a perfect instruction for this on his page pronto – if not already.  I know he is teaching and enjoying the great convention in Salt Lake this week as these new features roll out. I will add the link to his page soonest!

You want also the website with all the latest

but in-between the most useful genetic genealogy group on Facebook is

Blaine’s blog and web page and all his instructions are just magnificent.

I always share about great info that other people are sharing. Leah is a great blogger and this is a great take on the likelihood that we all need to consider using au-DNA to prove each of our ancestral lines, that I show above, and then those relatives can share their y-DNA and their mt-DNA and we can truly establish wonderful family ancestries and with DNA evidence.

I suggest reading my blog on choosing your DNA candidates carefully


and this great blog below by Leah – shows us another reason why. And she explains it all so beautifully.



ftDNA Family Finder ~ The Results Are In! Now What?

Family Tree DNA (ftDNA), my first love, my favorite. But everyone knows I have tested with many companies, love them all, and so what is all the fuss I make about everyone testing with or uploading to (if possible) DNA results with ftDNA?  It is the bells and whistles (DNA for genealogy tools), and they also test for matching y-DNA (paternal line) and mt-DNA (maternal line) and this means we almost have it all – well a lot of it at one company, Family Tree DNA.

Family Tree DNA has magnificent instructions for all of this, countless other bloggers also have shared instructions so why me?

I am making the instructions as simple, and as stage one beginning, as I can. And I am making screen captures so you don’t need my instructions hardly at all and you can see step by step. There are several other tools also but this will make you an expert in the DNA 101.

When you sign in, you open to the DASHBOARD page.


I first tested mt-DNA as seen in the Order History list on the left, July 11, 2005 and the last upgrade of analyzing my H haplogroup April 3, 2014 – completed on the anniversary of my mother’s passing.

While you have been/are waiting for results you want to take care of business and set up information about your ancestors, if known, including any family tree. You will want to see also the blog I have on privacy and settings for sharing, but you must make sure your settings are turned onto “share with matches” or you won’t see anything when the results come in. On the privacy and sharing page(s) you will see the share-tree settings (and why on earth they call anything public, I still do not know, because the databases are not public). At least make sure you will be sharing with “MY MATCHES” on on the settings for your tree. And on each setting, be sure to click save. In the profile information there is info about earliest known ancestor, so be sure to fill in that and anything else you want to share.

You will also want to add a tree and ancestral surnames so the DNA for genealogy tools can be realized. 

I suggest not adding a tree with all the names you have collected; this only muddles the results when you include all the in-laws and extended family, and ancestors too far back in time to produce meaningful autosomal matches. Add all the known family who could be biologically related. The Family Finder is autosomal DNA, and this DNA test reads a limited number of generations magnificently.  TMI (too much information) is to be avoided in setting up your page for DNA for genealogy.

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The results are in and you see on your dashboard page several categories to click under the FAMILY FINDER section. Matches, Chromosome Browser, Linked Relationships, myOrigins, ancestralOrigins. (The Wellness Report has to be added – they should move that button from that section)

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These are matches. Beside each matching person is their name and information about their earliest ancestors if you click on their name  — that is, if they filled out all the information. Little icons will show you if they took other tests and if they have a tree. On the far right, also blocked out for privacy, are the ancestral surnames a person might have provided. If the two of you share any surnames the computer will highlight those matching surnames in bold print. On your main matches page you can search for specific surnames. See the two checks at the top right for slots to enter names – SEARCH NAME or SEARCH ANCESTRAL SURNAMES. Entering a name in the top slot will give you ONLY testers for whom that is their first, middle or last name. If you  search in the bottom slot, then you will find everyone who has that name among all their ancestors, including themselves. So if you are searching for a common name like Johnson, the top slot will filter out a lot of people you don’t really care about.

The matches list has many pieces of added information. The match date always tells you when each of your matches first turned up, and you can see when new matches appeared. Another feature offers a guess at what the relationship with each match might be — father son, aunt niece, 1st cousin etc.

Next the all-important actual numbers of shared centiMorgans of shared genes (think of it as a measure like ounces, or pounds). The next slot gives you the longest (solid/single/linked) block of shared genes. I will share below, hopefully, links to great charts that show how many centiMorgans two people should share for each relationship distance. (YES, this varies – and we will get to that. People could be related two ways among many other issues – wait – later) The amount of shared genes is well understood and so can be calculated by you and me and all by seeing the combination of how many shared genes, and what is the biggest group of connected genes total. Here is one of my lists of actual results amounts – but below I hope to link to a magnificent chart that is handsome and pretty.

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There are several categories of information we can learn, accessing the various ways to sort your matches – see the check above and you can go through each section to learn what each tool shows.

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There re important tools to help sort your matches and there are the tools for matching IN COMMON and matching NOT IN COMMON. These tools let you see when two of your matches are or are not related to each other, and that can help you figure out which side of the family some matches are on.  From the list of your matches, see the tiny box to the left of their name and tick the box.  Then select IN COMMON WITH or NOT IN COMMON WITH in the boxes at the top alongside the box for CHROMOSOME BROWSER (That one will let you see people who match in the same place on the same chromosome).

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These results are me IN COMMON WITH a maternal 2nd cousin, once removed. Having multiple 2nd cousins from each line to test (or relatives nearer in relationship than 2nd cousin) can separate and identify almost every one of your matches (depending).  No more guessing how you are related to many matches – at least identifying family lines.

You see also on these pages with matches, many of the people have a tiny icon in either red or blue. The people are identified in a male and female shape – dusty blue and mauve pink – but to their right the tiny icons. My child has a purple icon – he has both my paternal and maternal lines, and we see some bright red and some bright blue. This is accomplished by near relatives testing. Using your ftDNA FAMILY TREE you can LINK these people to you on the tree. Then the relatives the two of you share IN COMMON will always automatically show on the match as part of their identification with either the red or blue or purple icon. More on this in the 202 blog on Family Finder matches.

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On your Family Tree DNA tree, when other near family members have tested, the computer system will be able to link you and them and this will flag your matches as to how you are related to matches IN COMMON.

What if you did not test with Family Tree DNA? Some results from some other testing companies are compatible and can be uploaded to the site. Here is the link to upload from MyHeritage (I think yes) 23andme (maybe not depending on when) AncestryDNA (yes I think so but there have been glitches?)

But you really really want to consider adding the Family Tree DNA Family Finder test to your DNA for Genealogy testing. Here is our project to join. You are buying directly from them – this is not buying anything from me.

Another exciting thing about testing with or uploading to ftDNA is that this is where the males test their y-DNA for surname projects to identify family lines. Some of them also take the Family Finder test, so you can learn more  than just autosomal matching. For instance in your FF matches you may be a Mr Smith and you search your matches and you find a cousin Mr Smith. Let’s say you can prove he is related to you via traditional genealogy; if he has tested his y-DNA then you can learn about your y-DNA haplogroup from his results.

The y-DNA extends back hundreds of years to thousands of years  and you can not only learn genealogy;  you can also  learn the anthropology of your haplogroup.  Just learning your basic haplogroup can begin your journey to following its migration through time. Of course there will always be another test to add to learn more – but choose wisely and if you feel a need or desire to add on then you can always add on later during special sales.

Matching is magnificent and let’s ring some bells and blow some whistles.

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Your Chromosome Browser (above) will show where on your chromosomes that you match someone else; you can compare up to five people at a time. This helps you see how scattered and sometimes random the matching bits are among the cousins across the chromosomes. All of these people are related IN COMMON with me and with each other. They are all mostly 2nd cousin, 2nd cousin 1x and 1st cousin 1x.  I share again also the chart (below) where the yellow dots show how with each generation we inherit less DNA and that DNA becomes randomly scattered.

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au-DNA or at-DNA is shared randomly. By using known near relatives to compare yourself and others to one another you can identify matches and prove ancestral families.

Here is a blank fan chart to share. I made mine with only seven generations.

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A wee bit easier to read for the seniors with just 7 generations and prints a little bit larger on standard copy paper.

This is just the beginning this is just day one – follow on through the next steps…

For cMs charts and explanations galore!

Another Bell and Whistle is the X-gene matching (blog coming soon – with new charts).

Are you a male who has tested only autosomal and wishes to add the y-DNA with all the bells and whistlers for that? Here’s a guide:

Who begat whom? Choose your y-dna testing candidate(s) carefully.

There are no two ways about it; non-paternity events happen and have happened forever. I am a haplogroup enthusiast and also insist on trying to prove every ancestral line with DNA, which means not only testing the recent ancestry with autosomal but also using y-DNA and mt-DNA to researching families identify all ancestors’ haplogroups. Using the surname and haplogroup projects and all the autosomal tools, today we can have true and exact ancestries and history that is our own biologically.

Of course, also have on one’s tree those who reared us, and I even have honored a few of the family friends’ families who were instrumental in our lives. Not just my own, but his, theirs, as well as mine. The families grow exponentially.

I reject the idea of any stigma about any birth relationship for any reason. Period.

The search must be matter of fact, no emotion, but how do you tactfully ask a prospective tester, “do you have any reason to think you are not really the son of X?”; “Do you think you might have been adopted and not the son of X?” Or any other delicate issue of birth question.

There is no easy way. And, you cannot use looks. I recently wanted an autosomal test for a family (who must remain anonymous) that looked so much like the person I was helping and had a 37 for 37 y-DNA match. They never did the test, but we later found the real dad elsewhere. The caution here was they are one of the R1b lines and it was so easy to be wrong. In the end the MRCA for all three was quite recent and all of them were non-paternity events sometime over the last 200 years.

There is no way to rely only on autosomal DNA to identify every ancestral line – you must use the y-dna and if for nothing but the joy of it learn at least a few of the mt-DNA haplogroups of ancestors also. There might be little genealogy from mt-DNA but there is happiness in following your haplogroup across the world back to Africa.

This all means every ancestry needs all the siblings and half siblings researched and all their descendants.

The genetic family tree of all the world, I hope this happens and I hope it is all used for goodness.

The insistence on biological descendants serves inheritance and society requirements, but when I think that some of the rules came because a king or religious entity did not want power to be built among families and not because there was any issue of 1st cousins marrying, I wonder how many people’s lives were ruined, emotionally or in society, because of a non-existent problem spread for selfish purposes.

Un-think is my motto.

And, enjoy your families research with new and expanded people. From my childhood introduction to ancestry with both sides of my family, through to the digital searches beginning in the last and the new century finding cousins near and distant gives not only the photos and family bibles spread around all families but also now the chance to locate people who carry the families’ DNA signatures.

You must have male descendants of two 2 TWO – sons of any patriarch.

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You cannot test a man and claim any – not any – patriarch through the results of the man’s y-DNA test. If you want the genetic signature of any male ancestor, any patriarch, born any time, and you cannot test the man himself – you must test two of his sons – or male-line descendants of two different sons of the patriarch in question.

You can use this method of proving male line families with the y-dna and the y-DNA can take you back much further than any research the autosomal can offer for identifying families. But you must still use both.

The next question: But is the person with this proved genetic ancestral line related to you and this is where the magic of autosomal DNA can help – BUT use caution.

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Autosomal DNA is wonderful and this process cannot be achieved without it – but to prove direct male ancestral lines back in time you need y-DNA. This chart illustrates the rapid rate at which the au-DNA (at-DNA) disappears from each of us.

If you want to use distant relatives for proving any of your lines, you must triangulate with near relatives and prove that an autosomal distant relative is really a relative – moreover is really related via the family you think they are related to you on; They might be on your mother’s side but maybe not; maybe from your dad’s side. Distant matches are simply iffy – see blog on triangulation.

Remember pedigree collapse and how many people have overlapping ancestral lines; you can be related to a person two ways, or have lots of small amounts of shared genes. In fact, some is just DNA noise and two people may be more distant than previously thought or sometimes not related at all.

Not all 4th-to-distant cousins should be guessed at.

Tree matching is risky – if there are two to multiple incorrect trees – you can have false results being created from falsified trees.

To be really sure, a chromosome browser can show you exactly which chromosomes two people match on; then you can identify families who share the same genes on the same chromosome segments.

Research all siblings of all ancestors and all their descendants.

Use y-DNA (on two lines) to identify direct male descendents of the patriarchs of your families (also locate the female-line descendants for any of your mothers), then use autosomal DNA make sure you are related to the testers. If everything matches you will have a family tree not just written in stone but in DNA – and you can bet the farm on it.

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Until there are two male descendants from two male sons of any patriarch that match, one cannot be sure of the genetic signature of any patriarch. Chart made from tree

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y-DNA changes very slowly – this is a made-up chart from a couple of long lost sources – must get on the mission to update. This ONLY illustrates the idea that different genes mutate at different rates and this is how the judgment is made for the speed of mutation and so how many generations are possible in distance between two male descendants. All the markers are rated from fastest to slowest. I need to update!

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Using au-DNA (at-DNA) to prove relationships between you and any male line descendant relative you can prove the correct lines through your relative’s y-dna

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Once you know the y-DNA haplogroup you can follow the ancestral long past genealogy and to anthropology. Chart made from tree

See in contents the Jean Manco tribute and her preserved site – there is a link at the bottom of her page and you and search where your haplogroup(s) are in archaeological digs around the world.

Also see her Building History webpage and let’s continue to support Jean Manco

The man that started it all

And a really wonderful site for learning about your haplogroups once you have them.



Are you a lick away from Granny’s DNA? Forensic DNA For Genealogy ~ Artifact Testing

Oh, I can’t wait. I must have something processed with the new hope, new players for DNA for genealogy testing companies, it might be this will get off the ground this time. Toothbrushes, letters with stamps, hair. My brother-in-law has possession of two of my dad’s wisdom teeth that were pulled. I have two of his letters with stamps and partial flaps, that I have talked incessantly about testing since 2012.

There are so many artifacts of our loved ones and we should stop touching them and place them carefully in an appropriate safe place.

We work to identify family often because we loved granny so much, or never knew great granny, but there are also the very special artifacts that give us hope for the identification of deceased members of the military returning home, and the Jane and John Does and more.

I can’t imagine there is any Skilcraft Pen that was used for an emergency battlefield  tracheotomy, that has survived to get the DNA from, but I would not go without my vintage Skilcraft in my ladies bag, which yes includes makeup.

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“…There are other things these pens can be reportedly used for that weren’t covered in the original requirements. It’s rumored that it can be used for an emergency tracheotomy where the plastic tube is placed in an incision in the trachea to allow breathing from an obstruction…”

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These are photos of my personal skilcraft. – This of course is a dream for future testing.

A necessity for the well prepared person – use at home, on the road, or on the battlefield – it will write too.

The possibilities are many and the questions are growing. What if the DNA turns out not to be the person you hoped for – someone else licked the stamp? When can you use hair shaft for having commercial autosomal DNA?

I rescued a box of letters from one family years ago. I have lots of letters and so on but one family collection in particular. I did find them and gave most of them to the descendant and spouse. I said then there have been a few that I worked with to identify and locate and those were in a shoe box and would have to come later.

The box is found and the possibilities are just wonderful – two generations – really three of letter writers and savers.

In the early 20th century brother Hugh writes to his sister Bessie. Bessie writes to Chris Sr and Chris Sr writes to Bessie. All these have sealed envelope flaps also and there are many. Later Bessie writes to her son in WWII Chris Jr and Chris Jr writes to his Mom. Then Chris has about a dozen letters of girl friends writing to him and another dozen of military friends writing to him from his training through the war.

I was able to find so many people, I need to make findagraves for those who do not have them. They are all gone now – but their DNA might be in amazing pieces of history.

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This WWII letter from Chris Jr. to Margaret is marked RETURN TO SENDER. Idle Gossip Sinks Ships and adds ‘sealed envelope’. And it is still sealed, opened from the side, and empty. Could this be the DNA of Chris Jr. on the sealed back flap? There are several envelopes likely to have his DNA

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The top letter was from Margaret to Chris Jr.  I am willing to bet her DNA is what sealed the flap of that top envelope – it has S.W.A.K. and her kiss in red lipstick. There are several of them from Margaret S. (also identified) But the bottom letter, maybe there was no censor at that facility that day – but this would be scary to hazard more than a guess whether this will really be Hailey or not, but the back is sealed. It might also have just gotten stuck to itself but it would be a remote chance. Did he come back from the war? I still have not found his descendants to share the letter.


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The top love letter was from Bessie to Chris Sr, and the other two are from Chris Sr to Bessie. All the flaps are sealed on the envelopes


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The top letter — from Hugh to his sister Bessie — would be priceless for researching Bessie’s father’s family,. The bottom is to Chris Jr and the writer begins ‘to Jr.’ and signs… ‘write son’ and then a terrible scribble of a signature.

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There is also this exciting Australian company and we are excited to follow the progress of their initial batches of testing artifacts. I am following them also on Facebook and we are expecting to hear in the next weeks about the results. You must follow them there also.

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LivingDNA is said to be taking on testing of artifacts but I am yet to see a price but you can write to them and ask!

The list is growing of all the wonderful letters – possibly with DNA and I guess I have left the trail to mine in this digital record.

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Of all the letters, Margaret wrote and wrote countless letters. Chris kept them all and several of the wonderful cards she sent along with a lock of hair.

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Soon, we will be testing DNA from everything from hair brushes to toothbrushes but we will have to make sure they were not shared. The desire to get DNA from our deceased ancestors is so powerful that now many funeral homes offer to scrape for a fee. How far back can we go?

I love to share information about the best in information. Besides best one of the best genetic genealogists, Blaine T Bettinger also has a website to follow AND please follow me also – Blaine’s website will lead you to his many projects that we all must support. His shared cMs project just this week hit 50,000 submissions. He has a teaching site also with fees and he has his wonderful free access page

I recommend following Blaine particularly for the artifact testing because he is among the very first to mention this new testing and also to try this.

Blaine’s site:

I have no shame – I will ask for your readership also – and on the right you can click and follow me also for the latest I see and hear. I am a short space behind in artifact testing and report but you will have my story on how this works out also in the coming months.

I also want a tradition of music for genealogy – songs for blogs – you will see my music for family history page also with my collection of songs and videos for genealogy, genetic genealogy, history and herstory!

Heirlooms by Amy Grant