The itinerary, story and the blog are just forming… Any suggestions, requests?
It is never too soon to plan and this would be the same trip as begun before, but which fell to the wayside. The plan was French spas and Pyrenees cave artists and then the train to the East. The Balkans with Croatia and Bosnia: Pyramids and Cave Art and then Anatolia – Turkey! And I had to see if a side trip could be made to the Lignite Mine in Greece – or rather the archaeological site near the Lignite mine.
These tours are for all haplogroups or all ages and eras – they must be, because every haplogroup has either a haplogroup ancestor or an ancestors’ cousin group – and since we now know how far and wide people traveled, then we must embrace more of this tiny world of ours.
We can take and use our known sequences to plan tours – but keep in mind all the ancestors; with pedigree collapse (see below) we really can all claim most early humans.
Pieces of previously unknown information about the cave art are…
– they – the artists, and their communities did not live in caves, and there were very few human figures.
See the story gathering of the Sorcerer in the contents. I am a bit resentful there were only male sorcerers – I think – we ladies are the best sorceresses.
The dates that we heard in this ancient-ancestors tour of the cave art in southern France and northern Spain included work by peoples from recent times – less than 10,000 YBP (years before present) and going back well past 30,000 years ago.
Cro-Magnon man was discovered very near our recent tour area, and of course our ancestors the Neanderthals also lived there. So did so many of our ancestors reaching back in time.
We are not seeking our ancestors from just one haplogroup – we are descended from all haplogroups. I pity the folks who only learn one haplogroup. (Certainly we love – adore and even revere – our project administrators who have meticulously learned about specific haplogroups and even specific branches of a specific haplogroup.)
The folks lived in Rock Shelters
The archaeology of the cave floors showed remnants of sometimes elaborate art studios for the production of the art galleries – but no habitation. Near all the caves there are rock shelter where the folks used overhangs at the sides of mountains for their homes. See the blog coming in contents of the Rock Shelter near Les Eyzies.
The ones yet to visit – the caves of the east! The caves of our ancestors’ ancestors!
Romualdova cave in Croatia
The man with the photos: https://www.southampton.ac.uk/archaeology/about/staff/arr1r19.page
The question of Bosnia
The art in Turkey is also missed by many with so many other great things to see and do. –
Museum van de Maastrichtse Mens – Van Neanderthaler tot Karel de Grote wrote: “…HUMANS IN AWE OF AN ERUPTING VOLCANO DEPICTED WHAT THEY SAW IN A PICTOGRAM, ALSO LEAVING THEIR FOOTPRINTS TOGETHER WITH THE PAW PRINTS OF THEIR DOG, 4,700 YEARS AGO IN WHAT IS NOW TURKEY…”
The southern France Caves – off the beaten track but a heartbreak to miss!
Andorra la Vella
The DNA can be followed across the world
But locating the remains?
This was written about someone from Europe or the UK but this would be true for every population on earth.
“…The mathematics of descent has fascinated many people. “If we could go back and live again in all of our two hundred and fifty million arithmetical ancestors of the eleventh century,” Henry Adams wrote in 1904 of those with Norman-English blood, “we should find ourselves doing many surprising things, but among the rest we should certainly be ploughing most of the fields of the Contentin and Calvados; going to mass in every parish church in Normandy; rendering military service to every lord, spiritual or temporal, in all this region; and helping to build the Abbey Church at MontSaint- Michel.” And, more recently, the sociobiologist Edward O. Wilson has written, “The gene pool from which one modern Briton has emerged spreads over Europe, to North Africa, the Middle East, and beyond. The individual is an evanescent combination of genes drawn from this pool, one whose hereditary material will soon be dissolved back into it.”…”
Great Wiki article about the skeletons and the few that have been sequenced.
The lineage of EEMH contributes substantially to the modern populations indigenous to Europe. EEMH populations during the Last Glacial Maximum were probably confined to refugia, associated with the Solutrean and Gravettian cultures. From there, Europe was re-peopled during the Holocene climatic optimum. The genetic contribution of these populations to modern Europeans is dubbed “West European Hunter-Gatherer” (WHG). The identification of the WHG component in modern populations is based on the analysis of the genome of a Mesolithic hunter-gatherer buried c. 8000 years ago in the Loschbour rock shelter in Müllerthal, near Heffingen, Luxembourg.[note 3]
According to Fu et al. (2016), the mesolithic WHG lineage (dubbed the “Villabruna Cluster”) already contains post-LGM admixture from the Near East and Caucasus, ending the period of isolation in EEMH of c. 37 to 14 ka.[note 4]
In terms of unipaternal lineages, EEMH were descended from the patrilineal Y-DNA haplogroups Haplogroup IJ and C1,[note 5] and maternal mt-DNA haplogroup N (and descendant haplogroups R and U).[note 6] Y-haplogroup IJ likely arose still in Southwest Asia. haplogroup I emerged about 35 to 30 ka, either in Europe or West Asia. Y-haplogroup K2a* (K-M2308) is associated with Central Asia, found in Siberian Ust’-Ishim man, but also in the Proto-Aurignacian Oase 1 fossil (Romania). Mt-haplogroup U5 arose in Europe just prior to the LGM, between 35 and 25 ka.
Ancient samples Y-DNA
Carlos Quiles’s data, shared and updated by Hunter Provyn, and mapped by Med Karim Rouiss
This below is one sample of almost 1,000 on this wonderful website – everyone needs to visit there and enjoy this marvelous work! Everything you need to loate ancient DNA for your ancestors tours.
|SNPs in autosomes|
|Date (95% CI)||7000 yBP|
|Culture/Grouping for Beaker-associated individuals||Epicardial Culture|
|Location||Avellaner cave, Cogolls, Les Planes d’Hostoles, La Garrotxa|
Epicardial Culture – Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C. Near Eastern Farmers Supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime Colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islands